Agenda for 12 May, 2010 meeting of the DITA for the Web Subcommittee
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Present on call:
- John Hunt
- Mark Lewis
- Anne Gentle
- Lisa Dyer
- John Chaves
- Steve Manning
- Chris Goolsby
- Mark Poston
- Welcome and introductions
- Share updates
[JohnH] JohnH discusses the hNews microformat at... http://microformats.org/wiki/hnews Everyone please review this in detail. Has lots of information. "Semantic XHTML Design Principles" is discussed near the top of the page. Also see "Process for designing a microformat" http://microformats.org/wiki/process On main page, see "User centric development"
- User interface, data-portability, social-network portability.
Look at the Examples link. Web page has other embedded objects such as hGeoLocation and hCard Notice all the different Normative References. Review the hNews-FAQ page. http://microformats.org/wiki/hnews-faq Review paragraph on microdata on the Examples page.
[MarkL] Talk about Microformat idea from Steve. We could use Microformats for much more than just creating a microformat version of a DITA topic that would be used for viewing. We could add much more metadata to allow these content objects to be useful to specific roles in specific use cases. For example, we could enhance a dita topic to support the needs of a community manager.
[SteveM] Steve's slides and some screen shots to go along with the following minutes Embedding information in a DITA topic. "A way of plugging the gaps in HTML"
hDITA could facilitate a DITA to Wiki and back round-tripping. Ability to add additional functionality. Mozilla has Operator add-on. Tag is index information.
Mozila: Look at the toolbar: Contacts Export Contact.Allows you to export the info as a vCard file. Locations: Behavior: send to Google maps. Example of inter-application data transfers.
[LisaD] Just posted an article about about how Google is using microformats to...
[SteveM] Tagspaces are essentially indexes We could make tagspaces act as related topics fctality rather than embeddeding the related topics. JohnC: this could be used to relate learning content to other topics. MarkL: tagspaces could be filtered or profiled possibly.
This list item (rich-snippet) is the data that is performing double-duty. Found by the operator and the
Twitter Contacts for every twitter person are shown in the Contacts page.
[ChrisG] Are there any RDF aware Operators? [SteveM] I dont' know.
[ChrisG] We should be looking at ways to integrate DITA with existing web-related standards. RDF was mentioned in the presentation and somebody else mentioned Dublin Core, which is basically a metadata standard. OWL is another W3C standard for ontologies. I’ve already mentioned XForms as something the committee should look at. We need a story for web forms. Also web metadata. The microformats stuff is interesting, but there are recognized standards out there we need to talk about as well.
Rachel Lovinger: Content Strategist with Razorfish. http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/content-strategy-the RDF..
[SteveM] TODO SteveM: I will research RDF more.
[John Chaves] Relationships to other content is the most important. How is related content organized? What type of related content features are there out there? Making connections to other content.
What are the Use Cases?
[John Chaves] Categorization of related content: Diagrams versus PPT. Lets acheive as much results as we can with a minimization of effort.
Concerns expressed about large size of RDF and micorformats.
TODO Everyone: List the use case for how they think MF would be used. How a Task would be used.
Update on action items from last call:
- John Hunt to dive into hNews and give us an update. John has an update on hNews:
- Lisa to look at the extent to which Google is incorporating microformats. If not, are there plans to do so?
- Steve will give up an update on how Wikipedia is using microformats. (Related to the Google question, is Wikipedia's microformats approach influencing Google search, or adoption in general?)
- Steve presented his update to the group, and an interesting idea to support community and round-tripping. Is the slide deck attached?
Other interesting links:
- Steve Manning will dig into RDF (how it is being along the lines of microformats)
- Mark proposes: Everyone should write up use cases for how they'd use microformats with a DITA implementation. Lisa suggests creating a wiki page here to capture use cases.
- Carried from last session: Scott to look at delta between HTML5 and HTML4 and then lead discussion on, "do we draw a line in the sand and support HTML 5 (and not HTML 4) going forward?"