Event details


  1. Roll Call
  2. Scribe nomination
  3. Review minutes of previous meeting at

  4. Discuss plans for the year, meeting schedules, and other administrative topics
  5. Any other business


Present: David Honey (Persistent/IBM), Jim Amsden (IBM), Martin Sarabura (PTC), Nick Crossley (IBM)

Edited chat transcript from room: oslc-ccm 2017-01-12 GMT-08:00

[07:08] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin will scribe

[07:08] Nick Crossley (IBM): Minutes of previous meeting at

[07:09] Martin Sarabura (PTC): No comments, minutes accepted

[07:09] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Schedule for this year?

[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Assuming we can get to committee specification, we can probably wrap up this tc

[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Domains TC focussed on domains whereas ccm and core are focussed on core issues

[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Recommend we move CM into domain and CCM into core

[07:12] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Skills are different

[07:13] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Domains tc activity level should be high

[07:13] Martin Sarabura (PTC): plm domain may be different group of people - or charter different tc

[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Minimize administrative overhead by bringing related discussions together

[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): subject of ccm is much more complex than cm

[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Prostep committee talking about restarting alm/plm domain discussions

[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim and Nick to talk to Gray Bachelor re coordinating our dev activities

[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: Important that we get Prostep folks involved in the domains tc

[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Next meeting in Darmstadt Jan 24

[07:19] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: ccm needs editorial work

[07:19] Martin Sarabura (PTC): tc needs to review once Nick is done

[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Can fetch versioned resource in context of configuration - spec is ambiguous whether components are versioned

[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): configuration is like a version of a component but spec doesn't require you treat it that way

[07:21] Martin Sarabura (PTC): suggestion that we standardize the approach: view component in context of configuration

[07:21] Martin Sarabura (PTC): nowhere else in oslc do we discuss web uis other than preview/delegation

[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: where does ui get involved?

[07:24] Martin Sarabura (PTC): content type = html is a view of the resources in that component in that configuration.

[07:24] Martin Sarabura (PTC): In rdf picture is clearer - you get component and its properties. Behavior already well defined.

[07:25] Martin Sarabura (PTC): David: Why is html media type any different?

[07:25] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Logically yes, which is why we shouldn't discuss this as any different from html

[07:26] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: IBM Tools do mostly implement this correctly - tools show the contents of the component

[07:27] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Broadening to cover html is probably an incorrect departure

[07:27] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Therefore just editorial work holding up progress towards public review on CM

[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Should be done end of January

[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Likely end of February before we request public review

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): (sorry CCM not CM in previous note)

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Need to review issues around CM

[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: One issue is getting list of link types

[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick will allocate time to investigate by end of Jan

[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Issues 27, 28, 29

[07:31] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim probably not addressed, certainly not reviewed

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Was going to do review of link types used by IBM tools to see whether other link types should be added

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Needs to get done

[07:32] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Action item for next meeting

[07:33] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Still some time before we're ready to get CM into public review state

[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Did add change notice type, parent and authorizer, issue 27 looks good to go

[07:35] Jim Amsden (IBM):

[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin to review and mark as resolved if done

[07:36] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Still some things to do related to issue 32

[07:36] Martin Sarabura (PTC): 28 and 29 not yet resolved.

[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim to review these and send out email summarizing current status

[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): This TC should continue to drive to committee spec before we fold any work into domains tc

[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Likely schedule for CM?

[07:39] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: One of the IBM dev teams was talking about similar to what 29 is requesting

[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): retroactive creation of a baseline: Immediately before change set and immediately after

[07:41] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Not a cheap operation and for some tools it may be impossible

[07:42] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: Where it is useful and possible, we should at least recommend a convention

[07:43] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Nick: Hopefully public review sometime middle of first quarter for both CM and CCM, hopefully committee spec some time in first half

[07:45] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Inherent delays in e-voting process, getting documents together

[07:46] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Rainer presenting OSLC overview to Prostep next meeting

[07:48] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Some discussions of product spec in - agree to remove config mgmt out of it and focus on what the product definition is

[07:49] Martin Sarabura (PTC): That work has stalled in - decided to move work into domains tc, and was mentioned as possible scope of future discussions

[07:49] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Gray has agree that he will look into ProStep and participate during OSLC overview meeting

[07:50] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Crystal project also involved - Jean-Luc Johnson regular participant

[07:51] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Jim: Recognition that we want to avoid overlap with config mgmt spec

[07:51] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Meeting adjourned

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