Meetings/Telecon2015.03.05

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Agenda

Minutes

chat transcript

Chair

Steve Speicher (IBM)

Scribe

Arnaud Le Hors (IBM)

Attendees

Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM,) Harish (Software AG), ian green (IBM), Martin Pain (IBM), Martin Sarabura (PTC), Samuel Padgett (IBM), Steve Speicher (IBM)

Regrets

Arthur, Nick

Resolutions

Actions

Roll Call

Chat transcript from room: oslc

2015-03-05 GMT-08:00

Approval of Minutes of 19 February 2015

[07:05] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.02.19#Minutes

[07:06] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: Approved Minutes of 19 February 2015

Next call: 19 March 2015

Status update on drafts

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Discovery 3.0

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: still planning on some changes, no updates yet

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Delegated Dialog

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam: got some feedback and have been updating the doc

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... have been implementing it

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to suggest a change

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... started looking at implementation on mobile

[07:09] Steve Speicher (IBM): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oslc-core/email/archives/201503/msg00010.html

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... open dialogs open a new window on phones

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... can't fit everything in the same page

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... had to change a property to make that work

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to add that change to the spec

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it could be useful on a desktop too

[07:12] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how does one know which version of delegated dialog is used?

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... wonder if we should have something that lets you find out

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: this is a discovery question

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: it's not so much a version question but whether this model is supported

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: right

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we could add a property to indicate support

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... not sure whether this is necessary since you're supposed to support it in 3.0

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): issue is a 3.0 consumer and a 2.0 dialog

[07:16] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... if the client puts the dialog in a different window it wouldn't work

[07:18] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how about a link header?

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: I think we need to solve this more broadly, not just for dialog

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: feels like an edge case though

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... table it for now and see later whether we need a general solution or we solve it just for dialog

[07:21] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: a header that tells you it's a 3.0 server would solve the problem

[07:23] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: typically not every component gets updated at the same time so it's a fairly frequent situation

[07:25] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: is .opener property meaningful to the browser?

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: yes, it tells you when a window was opened by javascript

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: seems to have agreement on the addition

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: in case of delegated picker, can selection dialog be prefilled?

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... martins raised the issue too

[07:29] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: I wonder if associating a shape would address the problem

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: don't think that's enough

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: sounds like a different use case to me

[07:32] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: there are many different scenarios

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we have a solution for creation dialog we could generalize it

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: I'd support that

[07:34] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martins: I think that would be helpful to have that in the spec, otherwise new people may not know

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: sounds like we could make it general for dialog

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Common Vocabulary

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: need to incorporate feedback I received

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Overview, Resource Preview, Attachments: ready for publication?

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: wonder if we should say something about mobile in Preview

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... never created a json format for dialog

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe we need to do that

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: re: mobile, it's never been clear what we should say

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe this is something for the Guidance doc

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... could have a section on mobile

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... you don't use preview on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: not mandating anything for mobile but not giving any guidance either, could be good to do

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... agree that preview not very useful on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe on tablet

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe better to leave it open but make sure we don't break anything

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: could have guidance on how it's displayed without getting into the gesture to get it

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: maybe we could have some guidance if we can agree

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Actions

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: martinp submitted work that was done at open-services.net

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... proposed to accept the work and start restructuring

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: accept Actions as initial working draft

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: we need to find an editor

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any takers?

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... will need to find someone

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Link Guidance

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: no progress?

[07:45] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: no, but haven't forgotten, should be able to work on this soon

OSLC 3 reference impl

[07:46] Samuel Padgett (IBM): http://oslc3.mybluemix.net/

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam shared link to source code

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: attachments still need to be implemented

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... contributions welcome!

OSLC 3 testing conformance approaches

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: might make sense to use the LDP framework

[07:47] Samuel Padgett (IBM): https://github.com/w3c/ldp-testsuite

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it works pretty well

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... running the tests generates a report, including in EARL, that can be concatenated

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... RESTassured makes it easy

[07:49] Steve Speicher (IBM): LDP WG impl conformance reports: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/tests/reports/ldp.html

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... added annotations to indicate conformance levels: SHOULD, MAY, MUST

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... thinking is to use the same thing here, and possibly use some of the LDP assets for OSLC

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: Any other business?

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: march is meant to be the month when we try to lock down our documents to publish for public review

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... and hopefully publish as Committee Specification

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... after that we can decide whether to go for OASIS Standard

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... we would probably want to sync up with some of the domains to also be at Committee Specification stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... to go together to OASIS Standard stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any questions?

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): no objections

Meeting Adjourned

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