Chat transcript from room: oslc

2015-03-05 GMT-08:00

[06:58] anonymous morphed into Steve Speicher (IBM)

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[07:04] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Roll Call: Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM) Harish (Software AG) ian green Martin Pain (IBM) Martin Sarabura (PTC) Samuel Padgett (IBM) Steve Speicher (IBM)

[07:04] Steve Speicher (IBM): Agenda: https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.03.05

[07:04] Steve Speicher (IBM): Regrets: Nick C

[07:05] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): topic: Approval of Minutes of 19 February 2015

[07:05] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.02.19#Minutes

[07:06] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: Approved Minutes of 19 February 2015

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Next call: 19 March 2015

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Topic: Status update on drafts

[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Discovery 3.0

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: still planning on some changes, no updates yet

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Delegated Dialog

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam: got some feedback and have been updating the doc

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... have been implementing it

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to suggest a change

[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... started looking at implementation on mobile

[07:09] Steve Speicher (IBM): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oslc-core/email/archives/201503/msg00010.html

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... open dialogs open a new window on phones

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... can't fit everything in the same page

[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... had to change a property to make that work

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to add that change to the spec

[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it could be useful on a desktop too

[07:12] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how does one know which version of delegated dialog is used?

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... wonder if we should have something that lets you find out

[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: this is a discovery question

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: it's not so much a version question but whether this model is supported

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: right

[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we could add a property to indicate support

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... not sure whether this is necessary since you're supposed to support it in 3.0

[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): issue is a 3.0 consumer and a 2.0 dialog

[07:16] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... if the client puts the dialog in a different window it wouldn't work

[07:18] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how about a link header?

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: I think we need to solve this more broadly, not just for dialog

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: feels like an edge case though

[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... table it for now and see later whether we need a general solution or we solve it just for dialog

[07:21] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: a header that tells you it's a 3.0 server would solve the problem

[07:23] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: typically not every component gets updated at the same time so it's a fairly frequent situation

[07:25] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: is .opener property meaningful to the browser?

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: yes, it tells you when a window was opened by javascript

[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: seems to have agreement on the addition

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: in case of delegated picker, can selection dialog be prefilled?

[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... martins raised the issue too

[07:29] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: I wonder if associating a shape would address the problem

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: don't think that's enough

[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: sounds like a different use case to me

[07:32] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: there are many different scenarios

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we have a solution for creation dialog we could generalize it

[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: I'd support that

[07:34] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martins: I think that would be helpful to have that in the spec, otherwise new people may not know

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: sounds like we could make it general for dialog

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Common Vocabulary

[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: need to incorporate feedback I received

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Overview, Resource Preview, Attachments: ready for publication?

[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: wonder if we should say something about mobile in Preview

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... never created a json format for dialog

[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe we need to do that

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: re: mobile, it's never been clear what we should say

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe this is something for the Guidance doc

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... could have a section on mobile

[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... you don't use preview on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: not mandating anything for mobile but not giving any guidance either, could be good to do

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... agree that preview not very useful on mobile

[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe on tablet

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe better to leave it open but make sure we don't break anything

[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): seve: could have guidance on how it's displayed without getting into the gesture to get it

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: maybe we could have some guidance if we can agre

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): e

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Actions

[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: martinp submitted work that was done at open-services.net

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... proposed to accept the work and start restructuring

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: accept Actions as initial working draft

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: we need to find an editor

[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any takers?

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... will need to find someone

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Link Guidance

[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: no progress?

[07:45] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: no, but haven't forgotten, should be able to work on this soon

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): topic: OSLC 3 reference impl

[07:46] Samuel Padgett (IBM): http://oslc3.mybluemix.net/

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam shared link to source code

[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: attachments still need to be implemented

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... contributions welcome!

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): topic: OSLC 3 testing conformance approaches

[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: might make sense to use the LDP framework

[07:47] Samuel Padgett (IBM): https://github.com/w3c/ldp-testsuite

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it works pretty well

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... running the tests generates a report, including in EARL, that can be concatenated

[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... RESTassured makes it easy

[07:49] Steve Speicher (IBM): LDP WG impl conformance reports: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/tests/reports/ldp.html

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... added annotations to indicate conformance levels: SHOULD, MAY, MUST

[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... thinking is to use the same thing here, and possibly use some of the LDP assets for OSLC

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: Any other business?

[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: march is meant to be the month when we try to lock down our documents to publish for public review

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... and hopefully publish as Committee Specification

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... after that we can decide whether to go for OASIS Standard

[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... we would probably want to sync up with some of the domains to also be at Committee Specification stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... to go together to OASIS Standard stage

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any questions?

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): no objections

[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Meeting Adjourned

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